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Author *Topic: Trump signs controversial FOSTA-SESTA bill into law  (Read 1543 times)
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« on: April 11, 2018, 06:46:07 PM »

Advisory Note: This post is about real and actual news that may be of interest to members of this site. This is not a political post and should not be viewed as an opportunity to post political rhetoric. Please confine discussion to your thoughts about the impacts and merits of this bill (or the lack thereof).

From Engadget:

Donald Trump has signed the controversial FOSTA-SESTA bill into law, as he was widely expected to do. While touted as a way to crack down on sex trafficking in the US, many are concerned that the law will give way to online censorship and make sex workers less safe. The bill's many detractors included the Department of Justice, the ACLU, the EFF, anti-trafficking groups and sex worker organizations. It has been backed by the Internet Association as well as high profile individuals like Amy Schumer and Seth Meyers.

See the full news story here: https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/11/trump-signs-fosta-sesta-bill-into-law/
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2018, 06:49:38 PM »

Here is one direct impact of the FOSTA-SESTA bill: Craigslist Personals have been closed. Trying to view any section of Craigslist Personals will present you with this message:

US Congress just passed HR 1865, "FOSTA", seeking to subject websites to criminal and civil liability when third parties (users) misuse online personals unlawfully.

Any tool or service can be misused. We can't take such risk without jeopardizing all our other services, so we are regretfully taking craigslist personals offline. Hopefully we can bring them back some day.

To the millions of spouses, partners, and couples who met through craigslist, we wish you every happiness!
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2018, 07:02:26 PM »

For the record, I want to state this site has never allowed solicitation of sexual services for money or other gain, and proactively removes any person suspected of engaging in such activities.
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2018, 08:55:38 PM »

This seems like a bill marketed as one thing but actually has a harmful effect on the people it purports to help. It seems to give the government (present and future) more power over the internet, though not the ones that the advocacy groups thought it would give them. It also places a very strict burden on anyone wanting to run a website which is another way to limit individual freedoms. The main argument for this law also seems to already exist in the SAVE act, which in of itself has purposefully vague language "advertising, knowingly or in reckless disregard of the fact that sex trafficking is involved".

I read somewhere that this is a bill that benefits larger companies who can afford teams of lawyers to be proactive, while I wholeheartedly agree that sex trafficking is terrible, this seems to be one of those laws that hurts the little guy/girl who may not have the resources to police their website to the stringent level in this bill.

With that said I'm glad this site doesn't carry those ads and actively discourages members from advertising ANY type of paid service, I, like any long term member, can confirm that we've seen many people banned for things that don't come close to the seriousness of the particulars discussed in the bill.

Thanks for sharing Mani, well worth a read.
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2018, 04:17:17 AM »

I am friends with quiet a few SWs online and this is hitting them hard. Not to mention that almost all of the ways they can get paid online are being targeted and closed. I agree with Shane, sex trafficking is horrible and there definitely should be more effort into stopping it, but I don't think this is it. This feels targeted to the ones trying to make money for themselves in a society that is getting harder and harder to find a job, or a job that can support living. Also, a number for the SWs I interact with are also disabled in one form or another, and doing SW is a way to make money, within their comfort zone or limits.

The Cloud Act was also recently passed. While most of the attention of the adult industries (escorting, pornography and camming) have been focused on FOSTA, little attention has been paid to a hastily passed bill known as the the CLOUD Act Clarifying Overseas Use of Data. This bill was tacked onto the spending bill that was passed by Congress and signed by Trump on March 23, 2018. It was never debated by members of Congress, and there were no public hearings held in regards to this law.

I think this law is just going to pave the way for closing down all sorts of services. I would not be surprised if they try to come for Tumblr, KiK, Snapchat, Chaturbate and other such platforms that SWers use to make money.
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2018, 06:44:27 PM »

I hadn't heard of the CLOUD act, but it doesn't surprise me when you realise that lawmakers were only given 36 hours to read the 2,232 page spending bill. From my side of the pond I only saw one senator make an effort to read the whole bill, he looked like he didn't sleep for the 36 hours, admitted he hadn't read it all and said he couldn't in good conscience vote for a bill he hadn't read. Wish more politicians worldwide would take their responsibilities as seriously as this particular senator.
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2018, 07:47:50 AM »

The website I am on for networking regarding my BDSM activities has been frantically trying to work out how to deal with this bill.   They have had to disallow profiles that promote services in exchange for sex.  This affects sex workers who dabble in BDSM so may also have a professional profile on that site, as well as Pro Doms that make a living in the Fetish world.  It is a prudish bill in my opinion, from what I understand of it. Misdirected, not focussed enough to actually do what it supposedly was written for.  I have dear personal friends who have been directly impacted by this, even here in Australia.  Why on earth this garbage was allowed to pass when clearly the people who are on the front lines of eradicating trafficking disagree with it is beyond me.
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